Дневник голодание - В ЗДОРОВОМ ТЕЛЕ, ЗДОРОВЫЙ ДУХ

[ГеорАлекс]

Я измеряю кетоны (в крови) с помощью устройства, аналогичного для тестирования глюкозы. Аптеки продают это. Или дай это. Это зависит от системы безопасности здоровья.

[Vovec]

Сообщение от ГеорАлекс

Я уже ожидал увидеть значение 40 ... Но это 60 !!! Я не понимаю ничего из этого больше.

Are you surprised by normal (more or less) glucose level?
Body produces glucose from fat and proteins. Probably there are no English internet communities regarding curing by starvation, but there are a lot of resources about starvation biochemistry, e.g. PubMed.

[Vovec]

Сообщение от ГеорАлекс

появляется общая слабость и простуда. После небольшого отдыха теплая ванна помогла компенсировать простуду.

Очевидно в оригинале речь не о простуде, а о холоде (в английском это схожие выражения).


I explained that it wasn't "cold" in meaning illness (as it was translated to Russian), but just about temperature feeling. Machine translation is still not perfect.

[ГеорАлекс]

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Are you surprised by normal (more or less) glucose level?
Body produces glucose from fat and proteins. Probably there are no English internet communities regarding curing by starvation, but there are a lot of resources about starvation biochemistry, e.g. PubMed.

Таким образом, это означает, что после некоторой активности организм разблокирует глюкозу (или вырабатывает глюкозу) из тканей организма.

И глюкоза может снова упасть позже ... Наверное, поэтому она самая низкая после ночного сна.

Что вы думаете об утверждении Аника, он говорит, что запасы гликогена отвечают за поддержание уровня глюкозы во время голодания? И производство мало.

I repeat, in english:
Thus, this means that after some activity, the body unblocks glucose (or produces glucose) from the tissues of the body.

And glucose may fall again later ... Probably, therefore, it is the lowest after a night's sleep.

What do you think about Anik's statement, he says glycogen stores are responsible for maintaining glucose levels during fasting? And the production is small.

[ГеорАлекс]

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I explained that it wasn't "cold" in meaning illness (as it was translated to Russian), but just about temperature feeling. Machine translation is still not perfect.

Yes... perfection is still for some years later : shuffle:

[Vovec]

Сообщение от ГеорАлекс

he says glycogen stores are responsible for maintaining glucose levels during fasting? And the production is small.

Obviously, there are four sources for glucose during starvation - liver glycogen, muscle glycogen, fat and protein. But whether all glycogen (at least liver) is spent at first days I don't know. Look for various research, there are some of them.


What is for sure, that unfortunately body eats muscles.

[ГеорАлекс]

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Obviously, there are four sources for glucose during starvation - liver glycogen, muscle glycogen, fat and protein. But whether all glycogen (at least liver) is spent at first days I don't know. Look for various research, there are some of them.

The common saying is that glycogen stores are spent in the first 3 days of fasting, or so.
I did not see other references saying it can last much more than that.

But what I found surprising was the proposition (from Anik), saying that glycogen stores (from liver and muscles) can last much more. Even for a full fasting of 30 days.
But he added it only happens in a body capable to properly accumulate large amounts of glycogen. It means also (I think) a body with a correct carbohydrate metabolism and assimilation.

[Vovec]

Сообщение от ГеорАлекс

glycogen stores are spent in the first 3 days of fasting, or so.

It's about liver glycogen I guess.

Сообщение от ГеорАлекс

glycogen stores (from liver and muscles) can last much more.

In muscles yes, but I'm not sure whether it could be freely used by body, or under physical load only.

Сообщение от ГеорАлекс

Even for a full fasting of 30 days.

I don't think so. But it doesn't matter from practical point of view. Anyone looses fat and muscles tissues.

[snail]

Сообщение от ГеорАлекс

Я уже ожидал увидеть значение 40 ... Но это 60 !!! Я не понимаю ничего из этого больше.

ГеорАлекс, это вполне нормально.

I also measured my blood ketones/glucose during fasting. And, really, I noticed that the level of glucose increased after any moderate activity, especially, after a short walk.
But I've also noticed before that if physical activity is excessive, it can dramatically drop glucose level.

Unfortunately, my experiment did not last long due to the shortage of ketone strips... they were only enough for 10 days.
However, it did not prevent me to draw some consequences of that.

For more details you can see here and further in the text.
I hope Google translation won't be buggy too much to understand the subsequent discussion... and sorry for some possible slang there - just ignore it ))))))))))))))))

[ГеорАлекс]

Snail, your Google translation is fine. Better than mine, I think

I did not try to do excessive physical activity, but I think you are right.

The physiological system, during fasting, is restrained to conserve resources. So, I suppose the glucose level is conditioned by:
- Either a limited release of glycogen stores
Or
- A limited production of glucose from muscles and fat.

This amount released probably varies a lot from person to person. In those that usually practice a lot of sport, mainly aerobic training (but also weight training), the amount released can be much higher. And they can even run a lot during fasting, or do weight training.

I noticed a big difference since my last fastings (dry), probably because these last 2 months I went to the gym 6 times a week, doing weight and cardio training. And a good sauna after each session.

By the way, what levels of ketones did you read during fasting ? In my case, after 2 days ketones rise quickly to the level of 5-6 and then it keeps stable.